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Title: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: cthormann3 on April 10, 2018, 01:12:04 pm
hi all)

In this video, we tanked the mobs in the same position, with our video recorder standing exactly where Scyld was in his screenshots (https://i.imgur.com/HxbUPPt.jpg / https://i.imgur.com/OYzWQkA.jpg) to try to re-create the combat log.  When doing so, we noticed something different than Rend dying twice.  Prior to Gyth/Rend spawning, we were actually doing damage to Gyth with melee cleaves only (blade flurry).  Coincidentally, it proves that there is in fact a Gyth and Rend on the other side of the wall where Marm was tanking the mobs.  When Gyth spawned for us, with just 1 blade flurry used prior, Gyth spawned at 45%.  It's very possible that Marm DID kill Rend without even realizing (Please note: I was unable to see my damage with Blade Flurry to Gyth unless I specifically looked in the combat log. Scyld did not see any damage done to the first Rend because he was not the one cleaving the boss, nor did he have cleaves enabled in his combat log, similar to our recorder.)

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdACIbIdSug

I'm aware it doesn't show it in his combat log. We will be making adjustments and running this again. The point of this post is to ask a GM to check if my theory is correct: Are Rend/Gyth on the other side of that wall?


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Samthebst11 on April 10, 2018, 02:11:05 pm
Still this video doesnt explain how he got 2x rend kill there in SS if i am not wrong.
Another question is why marm wanted to kill all adds nd rend in that very corner cuz normally people do this event in the mid.
Another question maybe marm knew this before and also knows how to exploit this?
Like atm u guys have info that u can dps gyth/rend with bf/cleave but u dono how to kill that 2nd rend yet. While marm knows how to do abuse kill it.
Still this video doesnt proof his innocence.
Rest is up to GMs.

And even if u get to know how to kill that 2nd rend behind wall, that doesnt happen all of sudden for anyone. It means that marm knew all this thing before and knew how to abuse it and got caught.
This kinda of bugg is not simple bug that anyone can abuse it without knowing it.


In the end i would say just put that video which he was talkin about.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 02:22:34 pm
i did it in the corners so mobs werent fucking running around everywhere lol..

the pics i posted before of 1 corpse of rend/gyth in that run is more than enough evidence

if there were 500 rends behind there wall, in theory u could kill them all with aoe

but thing is

u wouldnt get any loot so why would it matter))

and in regards to me knowing fucking forms of abuse that others don't, ive probs pve'd less than anyone on this server so why would i be the one to discover it (if it even exists)

sam ur trash)


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: cthormann3 on April 10, 2018, 02:24:13 pm
Yes as I stated, the video does not prove innocence and there will be more tests to follow. Note that both Gyth and Rend were untargettable while being cleaved, and thus, unlootable


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Nope on April 10, 2018, 02:30:42 pm
all good but where dem nudes


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Samthebst11 on April 10, 2018, 02:34:58 pm
So you wanted to tank all trash in the corner to avoid trash moving around while you know dragons spawns makes aoe which instead makes it harder for you?  :D
I am not speaking any trash its just common questions which maybe you need to explain but the above statement doesnt which you wrote doesnt make sense.

And as i already stated this kind of bug is not simple that anyone can abuse it without knowing it that they are abusin this. Its way more complex to abuse this kinda of bugg and i am already curious for the next video if they find out how to kill the 2nd rend.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Samthebst11 on April 10, 2018, 02:37:12 pm
Yes as I stated, the video does not prove innocence and there will be more tests to follow. Note that both Gyth and Rend were untargettable while being cleaved, and thus, unlootable
Yea chorm saw that clearly in video. But i dont know where is that thread of marm in which he uploaded Screenshots. Can you put those SS here to see the group order like how many melee, casters and healers were there in marm kill.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 02:37:58 pm
im also interested on how u kill a 2nd rend cos that wouldve saved me 2 weeks of farming felstriker

unless someone spawn him and .die..))


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 02:40:15 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa7M6IoMIHo&feature=youtu.be

the vid from my good pal shaguar))

if any of u see 2 rend corpses there pls let me know


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: BestFCEU on April 10, 2018, 02:48:26 pm
So you wanted to tank all trash in the corner to avoid trash moving around while you know dragons spawns makes aoe which instead makes it harder for you?  :D


from a multi-boxers perspective i would assume standing still and overhealing is probably easier than running around to avoid aoe


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Biological / Gorgeuss on April 10, 2018, 03:02:26 pm
this a funserver with 5000 rends in wall why ban ppl for fun


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: waygzhlol on April 10, 2018, 06:10:29 pm
So you wanted to tank all trash in the corner to avoid trash moving around while you know dragons spawns makes aoe which instead makes it harder for you?  :D


from a multi-boxers perspective i would assume standing still and overhealing is probably easier than running around to avoid aoe

As another mboxer, I can attest to this at least. Particularly with Marms box group which included R14 toons, high stam pools and good weapons means you can nuke the dragons down and can afford to eat a few blast waves. Rend is still one of the most challenging multibox encounters that have been done.

As for the video, it shows you can damage Gyth/Rend before he spawns and potentially even kill them without noticing unless you enable the specific part of your combat log.

I don't know if Marm was doing something abusive intentionally, but this certainly makes it an interesting scenario. I know early in his Felstriker farming he never abused anything when I did a few runs with him (thanks for the Truestrikes!).


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 06:24:26 pm
has no1 even looked at the vid i linked where im standing next to one corpse lol..

also i only killed trash in the corner, when gyth spawned i pulled him halfway across the room and had the melees follow

the clothies in the group wouldnt be able to eat a whirlwind where rend was supposedly(????) standing, yet alone 2 rofl


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: waygzhlol on April 10, 2018, 06:33:56 pm
That doesn't prove innocence, either. But nothing has proved you're guilty. It's a private EU server where innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply, but with the current evidence we have (none) it's a ban based off a combat log that clearly doesn't mean you were necessarily intentionally killing and certainly doesn't mean you were looting two Rends, which would be the abusive thing.

It'd be better for them to just describe the abuse you were supposedly doing with evidence, and add that reproduction of the abuse is permanent ban worthy, than state you were abusing mechanics without evidence. Marm was a rather active component of this small server, which is why this ban probably being pressed much harder than other and should be addressed more than it is.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: waygzhlol on April 10, 2018, 06:37:25 pm
has no1 even looked at the vid i linked where im standing next to one corpse lol..

also i only killed trash in the corner, when gyth spawned i pulled him halfway across the room and had the melees follow

the clothies in the group wouldnt be able to eat a whirlwind where rend was supposedly(????) standing, yet alone 2 rofl

As a quick tip if you box elsewhere at the moment - Rend only cleaves with multiple melee around him.  If you only use your tank and just kill him slower with your ranged boxes it makes the Rend encounter itself a very easy tank n spank you can do even with one heal, caster, and tank alive.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 06:39:20 pm
1 LOOTABLE rend corpse doesnt prove innocence? whether i cleaved a fucking million rends behind the gate and they all died and drop 50000 felstrikers, would it matter as they wouldnt be lootable?

every felstriker run i did was with a random person and it was during the day

if i was to even consider abusing anything, id make sure no one else was in the group and id do it in the early hours of the morning lmao






Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 10, 2018, 06:41:50 pm
has no1 even looked at the vid i linked where im standing next to one corpse lol..

also i only killed trash in the corner, when gyth spawned i pulled him halfway across the room and had the melees follow

the clothies in the group wouldnt be able to eat a whirlwind where rend was supposedly(????) standing, yet alone 2 rofl

As a quick tip if you box elsewhere at the moment - Rend only cleaves with multiple melee around him.  If you only use your tank and just kill him slower with your ranged boxes it makes the Rend encounter itself a very easy tank n spank you can do even with one heal, caster, and tank alive.

i dont and never have enjoyed multiboxing

the sole reason i did it on vg was simply because things got quiet at points during the day and i decided to help randoms out

in the month i spent mboxing, i got a single felstriker but probs carried a good 30-40 people to preraid bis



Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Strawie on April 10, 2018, 06:56:28 pm
poor marm


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: waygzhlol on April 10, 2018, 11:47:17 pm
has no1 even looked at the vid i linked where im standing next to one corpse lol..

also i only killed trash in the corner, when gyth spawned i pulled him halfway across the room and had the melees follow

the clothies in the group wouldnt be able to eat a whirlwind where rend was supposedly(????) standing, yet alone 2 rofl

As a quick tip if you box elsewhere at the moment - Rend only cleaves with multiple melee around him.  If you only use your tank and just kill him slower with your ranged boxes it makes the Rend encounter itself a very easy tank n spank you can do even with one heal, caster, and tank alive.

i dont and never have enjoyed multiboxing

the sole reason i did it on vg was simply because things got quiet at points during the day and i decided to help randoms out

in the month i spent mboxing, i got a single felstriker but probs carried a good 30-40 people to preraid bis



And those good-natured things you did are why some of us volunteer to at least attempt to show your innocence and get you back on the server.

Edit: I agree, unless you were looting two Rend corpses it doesn't really make sense why they would ban you for killing two of them.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: Forsaker on April 11, 2018, 12:30:38 pm
WHAT??? WTF?! Just seen this and I'm Shocked to my Undead Bones!
I ran around 15-20 UBRS runz with Marm, got loads of good gear and fun playin out of it, great guy - never saw him abuse anything! each run was totally legit!

If this server bans people left and right without evidence then it's just BS and think I'll move to some other server, cuz this is just nonsense.

Forsaker.


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: osXman on April 11, 2018, 03:51:19 pm
WHAT??? WTF?! Just seen this and I'm Shocked to my Undead Bones!
I ran around 15-20 UBRS runz with Marm, got loads of good gear and fun playin out of it, great guy - never saw him abuse anything! each run was totally legit!

If this server bans people left and right without evidence then it's just BS and think I'll move to some other server, cuz this is just nonsense.

Forsaker.


forsaker says that so it must be true :P :P

anyway , you guys have no idea abt how to abuse multiple rend kills. there is a certain way to do it but hey ! keep searching :)  or.. you already know it and you try to make it look like an accident idk. if gms are wrong, i hope you get unbanned asap


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 11, 2018, 03:52:28 pm
8 years of playing here and ive never heard of it


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: osXman on April 11, 2018, 04:13:38 pm
why doesnt scyld share"his" video btw?? we have to record and post it on forums but gms dont ? wtb evidence


Title: Re: MARMITE WAS INNOCENT?! (100% LEGIT NOT CLICKBAIT 2018 - VIDEO PROOF INCLUDED)
Post by: marm _ on April 11, 2018, 04:14:37 pm
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