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« on: December 02, 2016, 08:53:03 pm »

Hey guys I've been looking for information on the calculation for Spirit to mp5 conversion but a lot of information I'm finding seems to be inaccurate. As far as I know, there was a change to this formula in patch 2.4? (correct me if I'm wrong) So a lot of the information I'm finding is post 2.4.

If anyone knows the base formula for this, I'm also looking to add in the effects of 15% regen while casting from talents and the additional 15% from 3 set bonus t2. I'm pretty sure the effect is additive so it should just be *.3 assuming you are using both, but I would like confirmation.

Some research:

Conflicting information and view points from Feenix forums.
http://www.wow-one.com/forum/topic/44005-how-much-spirit-is-1mp5/?page=1

Chart appears to be incorrect, at least for priests. Lots of conflicting view points and slightly different formulas. Also goes into 2.4 values so not sure what is for 1.12.1 and what isn't.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Spirit

Pretty sure I found this link on the VG forums a few months ago. But the description says "The formula used by this page is for pre-Wrath and is even more bogus with the 3.1 changes!" Pre-Wrath meaning post 2.4 changes? So I'm confused which patch this is for.
http://solareclipse.net/Charles/spirit.html


In game, I've been trying to make calculations and compare them to values that the addon StatCompare is displaying but I'm not exactly sure how StatCompare is making its calculations. It only provides values for "Mana Regeneration: X mp5" and "Mana Regen with Spirit: X mp2." Does it convert the mp5 values to mp2 and add them to the amount of mp2 that spirit provides? Or is the X amount of mp2 provided solely from spirit?

Any information regarding this would be great!
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2016, 11:08:34 pm »

I dont know about priest spirit mp5 regen..
But as far as druids are concern its around 12.5(its not exact figure as well its around 12-13 made calculation like 2 years ago or something when i used to play druid) mp5 regen from 15% mana regen during casting from talent..
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2016, 11:09:29 pm »

Here you go its for druids..
https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5431
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At level 60, it takes 13,6 spirit to give 1 mp5 during that 15% regeneration window.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2016, 11:12:58 pm »

And about priest there you go
http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit
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Formulas for mana regeneration based on spirit:

Priests and mages: 13 + (spirit / 4) mana per tick
Druids, shamans, paladins, hunters: 15 + (spirit / 5) mana per tick
Warlocks: 8 + (spirit / 4) mana per tick
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2016, 11:59:08 pm »

I worked on fixing the spirit regeneration on VG about 3 years ago.  In 1.12, as on VG today, spirit works as follows:

For mp5, mana isnt given every 5 seconds, but every 2 seconds - a "tick."  This is true of spirit and also of mp5.  5mp5 is 2mp2 which is 2 mana per tick.

Shaman, Druid, Hunter, Paladin: 5 spirit gives 1 mana per tick
Priest, Mage, Warlock: 4 spirit gives 1 mana per tick

This results in the conclusion that for priest, 8 spirit gives 2 mana per tick, which is the same as 5mp5.  So if you aren't casting, 8 spirit = 5 mp5.  For non-cloth classes, 10 spirit. 

Of course, since you are usually casting, mp5 is the better stat.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2016, 12:20:12 am »

Ok so I just did some testing in game. Assuming the formulas from http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Spirit are in fact correct.

My current gear: 280 spirit and 54 mp5 unbuffed

280/4 + 12.5 = 82.5 mp2 from spirit while not casting
54 * 2/5 = 21.6 mp2

So while outside of the 5 second rule I should be receing 82.5 + 21.6 = 104.1 mp2

After casting a few times to lose mana, then waiting to get back outside of the 5 second rule, my Scrolling Combat Text addon shows that I am in fact receiving 104 mp2.

So I have no issues with the formula and amount for regen while not casting. My issue is with the regen while casting.

The 15% regen while casting from talents and 15% 3/8 t2 bonus are additive. So the formula should be as follows:

280/4 + 12.5 = 82.5 * .3 = 24.75 mp2 while casting
54 * 2/5 = 21.6 mp2

24.75 + 21.6 = 46.35 mp2 while casting

My Scrolling Combat Text is showing only 33 mp2 while casting. So what is wrong or broken here?

According to these numbers I am losing out on 13.35 mp2 while casting.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2016, 12:31:05 am »

http://vanillagaming.org/forum/index.php?topic=16189.0

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- Zeard fixed the manaregeneration of Spirit

LU 2014-11-16

Can anyone confirm what exactly this "fix" was? I was told this was a nerf to mana regen which could confirm my suspicion that mana regen rates are scripted differently on VG now. Or was this a fix to blizzlike, appropriate numbers?
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2016, 12:50:31 am »

The spirit is working as it should be, meaning you should have a regen of 46 mana per tick (it's always rounded down). SCT is probably wrong then, you should check your ticks "manually" (ie watch your mana bar).

You're a priest btw, right ?
You should download the addon Theorycraft, it displays your regen ticks outside and inside the FSR (Five Seconds Rule).

I doublechecked with my priest just to be sure.
357 spirit & 48mp5.
That should be 12,5 + 357/4 + 48/2,5 = 120,95 / tick and I noticed 120 mana/tick (theorycraft was showing 120,95).
I wasn't wearing 3T2, so only 15% from talents, that would be 0,15 (12,5 + 357/4) + 48/2,5 = 34,46 and I noticed 34 mana/tick (theorycraft once again showing 34,46).

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2016, 01:47:21 am »

Confirmed working properly based on the formulas.

Yes I am a priest.

I realized that I was testing it after I had reset my talents to check base stats and hadn't put my talent points back in yet. So I was testing without the 15% talent but calculated with it.

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280/4 + 12.5 = 82.5 * .3 = 24.75 mp2 while casting
54 * 2/5 = 21.6 mp2

24.75 + 21.6 = 46.35 mp2 while casting

Checking SCT and manually watching the ticks confirms I am getting 46 mp2 while casting.

Now I know the formula and the conversions. Thank you for the info Sarek and Ayag!
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