Corps camping of low lvl players - ruins the server

[Tomb]

its pretty much bordering on abuse o GM powers

Yeah I don't think it really is, I gave him a warning that's all. When I talked to him, I never directly accused him of anything, I just told him that he had been reported for it and that forcing a player to log off could lead to trouble. Nothing more. I even told him that he could kill people.  Sorry if you guys are having such issues, it's like you guys are hearing that I banned him. I left this thread open specifically so it could be talked about. I could have just closed it.

So chitchat don't threaten me with abusing my powers, I did not ban him

[chitchat]

and as we are on the topic of frigging quoting RULES here some for you
1) Actual response from blizzard GM
LINK http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5724063548

Hello,

While this practice may be frustrating to you, corpse camping is legitimate in the PvP Realm (as stated in the PvP Realm Policies sent to you by the last GM). If you do not agree with this, or any other policy, you are free to send a suggestion via the in-game submission report.

When you get a moment, please read over those policies because you will find a lot of good information on there.

Regards.


2) WOWWIKI say

After killing another player, corpse camping is where that player then continues to camp at the enemy's corpse (either by using stealth or other means) and kills them when the player resurrects themselves. Although this is frustrating to the camped player, this is not considered griefing by Blizzard and is not subject to punishment by Game Masters.

3)BLIZZARD FORUM SUPPORT REPLY
linkhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3123364142


 Replying to the question:""At what point does it become an "extreme" or "excessive" circumstance? I have heard different opinions and would just like some clarification.?""


There is no defined limit that we'd be able to share with you. PvP happening on a PvP realm or with characters that are otherwise PvP flagged is perfectly acceptable.

[Asternob]

taking this little quote from graffix link btw graffix make sure you read and make sure your links dont contradict your points corpse camping is allowed and its pvp behavior if action is taken against this you may aswell ask zeard to make this server pve and make no one get flagged in contested territories or maybe move on to expansions where world pvp no longer exists.

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by Syndri | 03/09/2008 18:33:19
Syndri

    Q u o t e:
    Seriously doubt this. You're friend is telling you a fib.



This isn't necessarily a case of fibbing. It's very possible that there was a bit of miscommunication or that the friend in question was approached by someone impersonating a member of our staff. There's also a very small chance that a Game Master did request a move; however, given that this interaction likely occurred beyond the storing capacity of our logs, it will be very difficult for me to verify such an in-game exchange. The important bit is that there are no records of any penalties or warnings being applied for PvP behavior.

I will say this, though: Being on a PvP realm is not a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. Should one consistently and maliciously harass another player—or zone—in-game for an extended period of time, we may indeed interfere. Such a move by our department is very rare, though, and absolutely dependent on context.

[Fogelstrom]

Personally I don't see an issue with this and can somewhat think that Graffix made a bad decision here. Granted I do not know the full situation with the ganked and the ganker.

I just recently started playing on VG, 2 weeks ago. I have leveled up 2 characters to Lv60 and got ganked with both and corpse camped with one of them.

I whispered the guy camping me and asked him to stop as I was just trying to level my character and trying to enjoy the game and he actually did stop. If he hadn't I would have just logged off for a while. That's how I would have dealt with it just as I would have dealt with it in retail vanilla. (or logg my own 60 and get help to corpse camp back )

As many already have stated it is a PvP server and getting stomped out in SW/IF/Ogrimmar/BRM is just part of the game in Vanilla.

It's really boring and frustrating for the one it happens to and when I get blown up trying to get instances or just some gathering area I get upset but it's world pvp...

I also think alot of people who isn't affected in anyway (like Les) is taking this way to hard. If this escalted into some sort of ban on world pvp in any other aspect than fair 1v1 Lv60vsLv60 I can see why'd people get upset but srsly. Isolated incident with isolated 'punishment'.

[NinjaAssassin]

This is absolutely stupid.

[Booraz]

Let me just make a quote from the link you gave Graffix.

"The important bit is that there are no records of any penalties or warnings being applied for PvP behavior. "

There, plain and simple. I see no reason why a GM should intervene in such a case. There are so many ways a player can deal with it. Here are some of them:

1. Ask for help. The proximity of SW to Duskwood would prob result in some bored geared lvl 60s to come down there while waiting for their queue.

2. Spirit ress, HS to your town and find a new lvling area, but nooo you are hell bent on Duskwood.

3. Simply log off. After he /who you and sees that your offline he will move on, and you can track his movement in the same way from an alt.

There three easy solutions. Have you tried a single one of them?

And Graffix, while you might consider this unfair and feel the need to step in, the point is, you have no rights to interfere in these cases, not even with a warning. The only thing you can do is give suggestions to players on how to deal with those situations. So please, don't quote some bullshit "rules" to try and defend that position.

[Meurth]

Let me just make a quote from the link you gave Graffix.

"The important bit is that there are no records of any penalties or warnings being applied for PvP behavior. "

There, plain and simple. I see no reason why a GM should intervene in such a case. There are so many ways a player can deal with it. Here are some of them:

1. Ask for help. The proximity of SW to Duskwood would prob result in some bored geared lvl 60s to come down there while waiting for their queue.

2. Spirit ress, HS to your town and find a new lvling area, but nooo you are hell bent on Duskwood.

3. Simply log off. After he /who you and sees that your offline he will move on, and you can track his movement in the same way from an alt.

There three easy solutions. Have you tried a single one of them?

And Graffix, while you might consider this unfair and feel the need to step in, the point is, you have no rights to interfere in these cases, not even with a warning. The only thing you can do is give suggestions to players on how to deal with those situations. So please, don't quote some bullshit "rules" to try and defend that position.

tr00 dis!!

[Orado]

Greetings,

Everyone acts like it would be a new thing, that we can warn or temp suspend you for continually harassing other players, however it has been in the rules for a very long time.

- Continuously insulting & harassing other players

First offense : 5 hours mute
Second offense : 1 day ban
Third offense : 5 days ban

We are a PvP Server, so it is part of the game to annoy lower level players. But if it turns out to not allow a player from the other faction to  level for a certain amount of time it will be seen as harassment and dealt as the rules state.


As far as I remember nobody ever made it to the "Second offense", so please calm down a bit.

Yours,
Orado

[Booraz]

Greetings,

Everyone acts like it would be a new thing, that we can warn or temp suspend you for continually harassing other players, however it has been in the rules for a very long time.

Quote
- Continuously insulting & harassing other players

First offense : 5 hours mute
Second offense : 1 day ban
Third offense : 5 days ban

We are a PvP Server, so it is part of the game to annoy lower level players. But if it turns out to not allow a player from the other faction to  level for a certain amount of time it will be seen as harassment and dealt as the rules state.


As far as I remember nobody ever made it to the "Second offense", so please calm down a bit.

Yours,
Orado

As quoted from Orado. I don't want to let go of this one for one simple reason. The rules you quoted there have nothing to do with PvP harassment but rather with verbal and chat harassment as can be clearly seen by the punishments. So please don't pull rules out of context to make your point and then lock a topic that far from being discussed.

Orados logic:"Ohhh look that guy is corpse camping that other guy, I know how to punish him, I will MUTE him for 5h, YES! THAT will stop him and teach him a lesson."

[Orado]

I thought it would be clear that the 5h mute will not be a solution for such a case. A simple warning would fit way better.  
I know I pulled the rules a bit out of the context, however I think it could be seen as harassment if you keep ganking a lower level player for hours. With this said, I will not warn anyone if he ganks in e.g. Strangethorn Vale various players.
The only case I would  try to find some sort of rule I could bend so it fits is if one player destroyes the whole game experience for another player for a few days.

Yours,
Orado

[Booraz]

Look Orado, and the rest of the staff that cares. I know why you are against this but the simple matter of the fact is, this has to be left to the players to deal with, you may only give them suggestion on how to deal with it. I posted three solution to help with the problem and I bet not one of it was tried in this specific case. The only problem here rises from the players want to lvl NOW and not later.

[chitchat]

aaaaaand four of my posts have been removed by orado cuz they tell that blizzard policy on harassment is limited to verbal use o language only and they say that any other kind of harassment will NOT BE DEALT BY GM's, GJ orado one gm abuses his powers ingame, u can do that on forums

[Orado]

I do not know what happened in this specific case here, so I cannot say if the intervention was too early or not.
I for myself  will not intervene until I see a very good reason for it and I support your three suggestions and would tell them to the one beeing ganked first. Please note I would only see it as harassment if such actions  ruin some other players game experience over a long period of time (= days), as I already stated in my previous post.

To Chitchat: If you are not able to show us your point of view without large coloured letters I do not want it in here.  Feel free to say what you suggest, but please use normal sized letters.

Yours,
Orado

[chitchat]

oh , lol , u could have asked me that before
What I said, before booraz pointed out was that https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/harassment-policy
states that the term HARASSMENT when used in world of warcraft means using inflammatory LANGUAGE
When tackling the issue o someone causing  ""physical harassment"" which includes things that ppl do physically in world of warcraft the policy article states that this sort of thing will be handled by the dev team, i.e they will change the coding to make sure it wont happen again.
This ought to solve this issue once and for all. NO GM is allowed to interfere in any player vs player no matter what happens.

[Orado]

NO GM is allowed to interfere in any player vs player no matter what happens.

I doubt they do not allow Game Masters to take action if it goes out of hand.

As I do not play retail anymore, did Blizzard do anything to prevent what you call "physical harassment" yet?