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1  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-03-25(1) on: March 25, 2017, 03:49:33 pm



*Scripted escort quests "Return to Vahlarriel" and "Stinky's escape"
2  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-03-10(1) on: March 10, 2017, 05:19:07 pm



*Scripted escort quest "The Absent Minded Prospector"
3  Staff / GM / Dev Applications / Re: Gamemaster App Template. on: March 10, 2017, 02:58:44 pm
bump more gms needed
4  Community / Events / Re: Sin's AV Event on: March 10, 2017, 02:28:42 pm
Yeah my connection was breaking down couldnt stay online, tried to announce that the rewards will be given the next day. Checked couple of times yesterday didnt find anyone online. But yeah i'm on now and if someone can foward the people who won (oxg lillifee plebtroll) to post in this thread or pm me when they are available would be good. Thanks
5  Support / Feedback / Re: A flaw in the system. on: March 03, 2017, 02:40:17 pm
So aside from the drama that my appeal caused, a major flaw has emerged from the waters.

Now you may be wondering, "What could this goon be on about now?"

Well let me explain...

If you go to my ban appeal, you can see that I was told 2 months is far too short to appeal. Fast forward to my most recent post, the last comment before the thread is locked, you can see Sins reply with

"6 months is not a written rule with perma bans. Perma ban means permanent and thats why it is the final punishment. Appeal passing shouldnt be taken for granted. 2 months is not enough in any case for any permanent ban appeal to pass for bug abuse and if one has then it has without my knowledge of it.

The players who are banned still for chest of spoils abuse are the ones with proven massive bug abuse of it. Gold of the rest will be removed and if it was found to be affected from the log check since unbanning, they will receive bans."

But for some reason, this is not entirely true.

Case #1: Player, Marmite.
The first issue with this is I was sent a PM into MY inbox from Vexallus stating that the player "Marmite" will not be getting unbanned from the Chest of Spoils bug.

Proof



Now this is also a false statement, because multiple sources have shown that this player has since been unbanned, without an appeal, and is actively playing on VG once again. This is incredibly unfair to everyone else that was permanently banned for this bug, and if you go to the forum section "VanillaGaming Staff Code of Conduct", you can see Cosmos (Who is no longer a GM, but the post remains true regardless) stating that a gm must always "--Act with integrity, honesty, and professionalism" Source http://vanillagaming.org/forum/index.php?topic=17431.0

Now this seems incredibly dishonest to have certain players allowed back to the server for an unkown reason.

Case #2 Hammza litterally BUYING his Thunderfury.
Now the proof here is much more lacking, but I'm sure there were players that joined these pugs that can back me up.

Oh? You don't know what I'm talking about?

Simple explanation, every week, Hammza would host a Molten Core pug raid. Nothing out of the ordinary here. The only issue is, he would pay out 10,000 gold to every player at the end of the raid. Now again, I have no stone cold proof of this, but the community on the horde side knows of this. This player is still running around with his legendary item to this day, and if we once again go back to the reply from Sins, we can see him say "The players who are banned still for chest of spoils abuse are the ones with proven massive bug abuse of it". Now I don't know about you, but being able to put out nearly 400,000 gold every week seems to be pretty massive bug abuse to me. There is no amount of farming that can earn you that much gold legitimately.

This is all I have for now. I felt this post necessary to bring attention to the shady acts that have been going around, I dont expect this post to last long, but it should last long enough to make a statement.

Thank You.

~PS~
#FreeSorono


How many replies must i give saying the same thing. Those unbanned from the abuse we couldnt prove massively abused the chest, or it was not their 3rd offense. The gold as said in the announcement will be removed. About hammza, you said it yourself, the proof is not here. We rely only on concrete evidence on punishments and the system works straightfoward. End of the case further topics will be removed.
6  Support / General Support / Re: New sudden change in rules? on: March 03, 2017, 04:46:26 am
GM who is going to ban a player should inform him about possible time for appeal.

Should. That clearly was not done so I stand by my statement of lack of communication on staff members' parts.

You cannot say that "justice has not been given" just because it didn't go as you wanted. GMs have procedures to follow and discuss issues / cases together in order to bring justice.

If you are not satisifed with GMs decission, you may always write about it to one of Admins in PM.

Actually, I can say that justice has not been given. But my reasoning for saying that is not simply due to the fact that I disagree with the verdict provided. And I would appreciate it if you addressed my other concerns rather than taking one part of it out of context and making this assumption.  I am fully aware that GMs have procedures and must discuss all cases. It is due to the unequal and unfair treatment seemingly given to players affiliated with "top guilds" and players who are not.  So I once again stand by my previous statement, to deny a ban appeal under false precedent and lack of information for an indefinite amount of time when others didn't even have to appeal bans for the same bug abuse seems unjustifiable.

As far as I'm concerned there are too many staff members who are associated with and raiding with certain guilds on the server. This causes them to act in an unprofessional and biased manner. Is it just a coincidence that numerous players who received bans for abusing this same exact bug got their bans miraculously uplifted just prior to their raids with certain "top guilds", without even having to submit proper appeals? Whereas individuals like Sorono and Nuld who are active in both the pve and pvp communities on the server and who are NOT affiliated with the "top guilds" seem to be the only ones still banned. I don't believe in coincidences. It would be nice if the VG staff would at least be transparent about events like this which affected a large part of the population rather than just making ambiguous statements and locking threads that are receiving overwhelming support from the community.

The time to appeal is based on the GM's decision. The waiting time increased based on how troublesome the banned one seems to be. Afterall, GM's do not want to unban troublemakers.

Nice to hear at least some reasoning behind the strange appearance of a 6 month time frame. Being "troublesome" isn't really ban worthy though. If it were, the population would be even more dead than it already is, but I digress.

It is already apparent that the staff members don't care about pvp at all and seemingly only care about pve dealings with the top 3 or 4 guilds on the server. The rest of the population is on their own though I guess. It would be nice to see actions actually taken to improve the server. FWL has already been released so that can't be an excuse anymore. Bug reports seem to just disappear into this mystical place called the "bug tracker" and are never to be seen or heard from again. I get that Sins and Erga are only DB devs, and you guys have done a fine job doing what you can, but how about you try to find someone to be a core dev. Then you can use the information Elysium has graciously provided the legacy wow community with and actually implement it to VGs core so we see improvements.

I have been looking for a core programmer to hire with freelancer and interviewed, reviewed, tested or even hired numerous candinates. All of them have failed , either havent started to work and vanished or quitted before starting because of personal issues. Its not that simple and the look will go on. If you want to help , feel free to do so.

6 months is not a written rule with perma bans. Perma ban means permanent and thats why it is the final punishment. Appeal passing shouldnt be taken for granted. 2 months is not enough in any case for any permanent ban appeal to pass for bug abuse and if one has then it has without my knowledge of it.

The players who are banned still for chest of spoils abuse are the ones with proven massive bug abuse of it. Gold of the rest will be removed and if it was found to be affected from the log check since unbanning, they will receive bans.
7  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-27(1) on: February 27, 2017, 03:10:08 pm



*Quests "Raene's Cleansing" and "In search of Thaelrid" now have proper level requirements set
8  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-26(1) on: February 26, 2017, 01:49:10 pm



*Lord Kazzak now drops "Pattern: Core Felcloth Bag"
9  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-20(1) on: February 20, 2017, 05:36:18 pm



*Scripted escort quest "Get me out of here!"
10  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-14(1) on: February 14, 2017, 03:54:11 pm



*added priest version of atiesh quest to game
11  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-12(1) on: February 12, 2017, 06:28:53 pm



*fixed quest "The Curse of the Tides"
12  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-02-06(1) on: February 06, 2017, 10:51:11 pm



*fixed quests enticing / facing negolash for both horde and alliance
13  General Category / Server Changelogs / 2017-01-25(1) on: January 25, 2017, 02:34:16 am





*Scripted Escort quest "Therylune's Escape"
14  General Category / Announcements / Concerning Chest of Spoils bans on: January 02, 2017, 07:00:28 pm
After further discussion and thought given to the matter we have decided to revert the permanent bans for chest of spoils abuse, due to availability of technical proof to measure severity of abuse

Normal bug abuse procedure will be applied and all gold(not just chest gold, ALL gold)/items from chest will be removed from all the characters / all accounts of the person who abused. If a player is found to have sent some of the gold/items they have in their possession away, or claim to have deleted them before manual GM removal (We have logs of the gold amounts of the abusers) permanent ban will be reinforced.
15  Support / Cheaters & Bans / Re: Ban Appeal Onlyforheal on: December 29, 2016, 11:08:00 pm
This Chest of Spoils abuse is pretty huge and it goes beyond the regular application of server rules (Zeard confirmed) for those who abused it in a bigger scale.

so thereby refer to the red headliner of rules topic :

"TO ACKNOWLEDGE BEFORE READING THE RULES (COLORED TEXTS)
Please consider that each issue is situational, these rules are basic guidelines of how things will be dealt with, at times exceptions or uncovered incidents will arise that will need to be taken care of, possibly differently from what is written here. As this small list of rules does not cover every possible or even the majority of things that  a gm needs to deal with, things like that will be dealt with in a basic online gaming etiquette or accordingly.
"

We do not support shared accounts, so be careful who you share your account details with.

Regards
<GM> Vexallus
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