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Title: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 25, 2014, 11:05:26 pm
PvP spec/rotation guide

Note: I tried to keep this guide as short and simple as possible.

After alot of digging I've finally managed to build a spec that offers a suitable rotation for Hemo specced rogues

Heres the link for analysis

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhebotzZZxMeobhRq

I haven't quite seen any people around using this spec,or finding it on the net,but I still think this build I managed to sort out can offer a devastating rotation =)

Lets start off with the basics of using this build as a Hemo rogue.

Most basic opener - Cheap Shot followed by 2x Hemos and later Kidney.

After the kidney you should use up to 2 hemo's later followed by CB > Evis for a finishing move.

If the opponet still remains on his feet,it's important to use CD's including Blind,Vanish,Evasion for avoiding Unnecassary Damage dealt to you by opponent.

Most likely if a melee,engage in a 1v1 combat with evasion on.

If a caster go with a Vanish to restart your opener / Or blind and restart the opener.


WARNING- It is important to keep an eye out for Diminishing Returns,you can avoid them by sapping the opponent and wait for the DR (Diminishing Return) to wear off,thn restart the opener.

If you don't know what Diminishing Returns are:

Diminishing return means that certain spells and abilities are less effective against player characters if they are used frequently within a short period of time.

The most common hemo build that includes prep/CB other than this one is the 24/3/24 one,in which we have talents in Imp kidney for heavier dmg while target is affected by kidney,however I have managed to cover that up with deadliness which offer a 10% AP increase which is implemented at all times unlike the imp kidney,which leaves us to the conclusion that we can deal more dmg with deadliness in a basic stunlock than Imp Kidney,that is unless some1 is aiding you while target is affected by kidney,but I'm talking about you alone vs an opponent so that won't matter =).

Now what makes this build more different than any other hemo rogue specs out there,Fact is, this build offers deep Sub talents with CB which offers great rotations that if geared enough can lead to a kill in one stunlock,depending on the opponent's armor/gear,but over my expirements,I've safely concluded that 70% of times,if you have t2+ you can defeat a heavily geared leather/clothier in the matter of cheap shot > kidney > CB evis.


For Greenies

Now using this spec as a greenie would be best suited if pvp'ing,because this build is relying on heavy CD using which can offer you high survivabilty with deadliness to improve your lack of DPS.

I personally recommend having tea all the time especially if green.

Now as a casually 0.5 geared rogue (or similiar), fact is tea has a big role,as it can offer you a chance to defeat your opponent in a simple stunlock.

Note - I am comparing this spec to the popular 24/3/24 spec for Pros and Cons,and here are the results.

Pros: Deadliness for a decent DPS improvement (Especially if Lowgeared),CB/PREP for good stunlocking rotations and high survivability due to PREP, DEEP subtlety spec with key talents -Dirty Deeds,Iniative,Ghosty Strike,Deadliness

Cons: The removal of imp gouge would (IMO) be the biggest loss,Removal of IMP kidney (replaced by Deadliness).

This build is made essentially for BOTH Geared and Undergeared Rogues.

The next thing I'd add now is the key of managing to successfully kill opponents mostly in a single stunlock.

The Key Item for every rogue to have is Thistle Tea

Getting Thistle tea is easy

REQUIREMENTS - 1x Swiftthistle ( Found in: Briarthorn/Mageroyal) 1x Refreshing Spring Water (Sold by vendors in faction cities)
Cooking - 60/300

That's pretty much it of what I would like to add,if you have questions about rotations feel free to PM me =).
Ty for reading.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: hashwarr on March 25, 2014, 11:42:19 pm
pretty nice spec but i prefer my spec http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxpGZZxzeoMhRo cos of seal fate and imp sap.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 25, 2014, 11:45:02 pm
pretty nice spec but i prefer my spec http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxpGZZxzeoMhRo cos of seal fate and imp sap.
only2/5 SF and 2/3 sap? xO and when they fail to apply it will be a talent waste v.v


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Arisias on March 25, 2014, 11:45:28 pm
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0gcoxthZhZVMIRzhMo

Is what i used when i was stunlock!


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: wopwop on March 26, 2014, 12:01:48 am
nice imma try them all! thanks alot guys


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 12:02:18 am
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fzZGxxdr0t0coxMe0c
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxZhbxddZxMe0c


These are the best speccs, next level shit


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Akum on March 26, 2014, 12:03:40 am
So i feel like i have to leave something down here.
1) The spec that u linked is far from the best u can want from this build,considering the working/non-working/op stuff on Vanillagaming. In my opinion Deadliness is not so good considering you offer this spec to greenies, also attack power does not affect Eviscerate damage,which is one of the biggest advantages of this spec. Improved poisons does not work at all in the moment so its a waste of compo point.
2) The rotation seems also messed up to me. Wasting CB on 2/3 Combo points eviscerate is a waste of one of the main spec abilities. Considering this spec relies on high eviscerate damage that is simply a waste.
3) I am going to post a spec which both me and Thedeeps think is the best hemmo cookie-cutter spec that might be made on Vanillagaming atm.
- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Arisias on March 26, 2014, 12:08:24 am
Akum and Thedeeps has a sick spec going there! But if i could ask, how are you so sure about the imp. poisens ?


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Akum on March 26, 2014, 12:15:33 am
Improved poisons was tested by our dear server testers and it was proven it does not work. There was also a report about that.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 12:19:48 am
Improved poisons was tested by our dear server testers and it was proven it does not work. There was also a report about that.
Updated

So i feel like i have to leave something down here.
1) The spec that u linked is far from the best u can want from this build,considering the working/non-working/op stuff on Vanillagaming. In my opinion Deadliness is not so good considering you offer this spec to greenies, also attack power does not affect Eviscerate damage,which is one of the biggest advantages of this spec. Improved poisons does not work at all in the moment so its a waste of compo point.
2) The rotation seems also messed up to me. Wasting CB on 2/3 Combo points eviscerate is a waste of one of the main spec abilities. Considering this spec relies on high eviscerate damage that is simply a waste.
3) I am going to post a spec which both me and Thedeeps think is the best hemmo cookie-cutter spec that might be made on Vanillagaming atm.
- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo

on a side note this build's primary privilege is boosting it's dps you deal in a stunlock to where the key talent is deadliness,and it's not focused all on evis,it's goal is primaraly boosting those hemo/auto-attacks in stunlocks to it's max,offering a viable kill in one stunlock,so I disagree with you.Also if you're already planning in spending more than 21 pt's in assasination,imo it's more suited to have imp kidney rather then vile poisons.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Akum on March 26, 2014, 12:48:40 am
Well u can spent ur point wherever you want,im just saying what is wrong with ur gruide and build. Boosting hemo dmg and loosing the big eviscerates(The important part) of the build simply doesnt sounds good to me. Vile poisons on the other hand helps you alot in PvP,allowing your poisons to stick to the target longer..
I appreciate your try to "think out of the box" but its simply a fail in my eyes.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 12:58:33 am
Well u can spent ur point wherever you want,im just saying what is wrong with ur gruide and build. Boosting hemo dmg and loosing the big eviscerates(The important part) of the build simply doesnt sounds good to me. Vile poisons on the other hand helps you alot in PvP,allowing your poisons to stick to the target longer..
I appreciate your try to "think out of the box" but its simply a fail in my eyes.
I appreciate your opinions but they just don't seem viable to me =) If you claim you know everything,then you know you're an asshole.This guide isn't focused on eviscerate,fucking read...And here we go again,I have to manage my anger because people can't manage their stupidity.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Akum on March 26, 2014, 01:01:30 am
I felt like i have to point out the cons of your guide.
Good Luck :)


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 01:06:49 am
I felt like i have to point out the cons of your guide.
Good Luck :)
You're not pointing them out,you already stated it's just your opinion which equals the fact it's not even remotely known whethever your cons are true or not,so you might aswell stop acknowledging the fact this build has cons that'' you think '' are cons.So basically if u're a know-it-all as you claim in-game,you should also know when to shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 01:07:10 am
This game has been out for nearly 8 years, you will not find a "new" specc. You might find bugs to abuse on VG.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: NinjaAssassin on March 26, 2014, 01:39:34 am
This game has been out for nearly 8 years, you will not find a "new" specc. You might find bugs to abuse on VG.

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Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: feanor128 on March 26, 2014, 02:35:56 am
Nearly 10 years*


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Jones on March 26, 2014, 04:07:59 am
17/3/31 for life


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 04:39:40 pm
Nearly 10 years*

if rogue mechanics and talents had reamained the same from launch to 1.12 you'd be right.

But they didn't so you aren't.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Battlemaster on March 26, 2014, 04:59:16 pm
One of the best spec so far for me which helped me alot to perform the best out of me ..
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhebotzhZZxMeoMGRo   ........ 


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Arsa/Cosmar on March 26, 2014, 05:24:10 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 06:14:34 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?
ofc ! there are so many rogue builds it's utterly impossible to choose which one is the best x(


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 07:09:45 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?
ofc ! there are so many rogue builds it's utterly impossible to choose which one is the best x(
Wrong cause

- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo




If you aren't taking improved gouge you are doing it wrong.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 07:28:53 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?
ofc ! there are so many rogue builds it's utterly impossible to choose which one is the best x(
Wrong cause

- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo




If you aren't taking improved gouge you are doing it wrong.
How can you be so sure that's the best possible spec :p And frankly in my experience I hardly ever use gouge,because my priority would be dealing the most dmg that includes renataki/tea without hesitating back with cc effects.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: NinjaAssassin on March 26, 2014, 07:38:47 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?
ofc ! there are so many rogue builds it's utterly impossible to choose which one is the best x(
Wrong cause

- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo




If you aren't taking improved gouge you are doing it wrong.
How can you be so sure that's the best possible spec :p And frankly in my experience I hardly ever use gouge,because my priority would be dealing the most dmg that includes renataki/tea without hesitating back with cc effects.

Hardly ever use gouge..... oh


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 08:09:12 pm
Soooo many rogues,do vg even need a guide for that class?
ofc ! there are so many rogue builds it's utterly impossible to choose which one is the best x(
Wrong cause

- http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oEzZhZxMe0chRo




If you aren't taking improved gouge you are doing it wrong.
How can you be so sure that's the best possible spec :p And frankly in my experience I hardly ever use gouge,because my priority would be dealing the most dmg that includes renataki/tea without hesitating back with cc effects.

Hardly ever use gouge..... oh
I know how powerful and useful gouge is,and the reason why I don't use it as much as I did before is due to servo procs which breaks gouge which = 45 energy waste.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 08:10:35 pm
I hardly ever use gouge

Thread summed up, nothing to see here.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 08:24:37 pm
I hardly ever use gouge

Thread summed up, nothing to see here.
Yea you forgot to quote that's due to servo arm bug proc that breakes gouge when used,and not only that,I already explained that I know how good,useful and OP gouge is,but you didn't quote that either.What are you possibly trying to prove,the hate for me?Manage your stupidity and don't go off-topic.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Ergamemnon on March 26, 2014, 08:28:56 pm
I hardly ever use gouge

Thread summed up, nothing to see here.
Yea you forgot to quote that's due to servo arm bug proc that breakes gouge when used,and not only that,I already explained that I know how good,useful and OP gouge is,but you didn't quote that either.What are you possibly trying to prove,the hate for me?Manage your stupidity and don't go off-topic.

probably the jerks that come out of their holes, everytime one posts a guide.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: NinjaAssassin on March 26, 2014, 08:47:55 pm
I hardly ever use gouge

Thread summed up, nothing to see here.
Yea you forgot to quote that's due to servo arm bug proc that breakes gouge when used,and not only that,I already explained that I know how good,useful and OP gouge is,but you didn't quote that either.What are you possibly trying to prove,the hate for me?Manage your stupidity and don't go off-topic.

probably the jerks that come out of their holes, everytime one posts a guide.

Lol?
No one is saying anything to hate or be a "jerk" so you both sound ignorant. Just saying that you hardly ever use gouge is kinda nooby... and the Mace proc doesen't always ruin gouge. You're acting like it's guaranteed 100%. That's like saying ever since I got my dmf trink I stopped using gouge because it's gonna proc and break my gouge.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Takis on March 26, 2014, 08:50:00 pm
In what way did I go off topic, everything I have posted has been relevant to your awful guide. Not once have I mentioned the fact you are a retard.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Impmyride on March 26, 2014, 08:53:14 pm
I'd do something about that signature if I were you, Spitfire.


Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: WoW4Life on March 26, 2014, 09:02:50 pm
In what way did I go off topic, everything I have posted has been relevant to your awful guide. Not once have I mentioned the fact you are a retard.
Ok,through your posts I've figured that you claim you obviously know better than me,Please make a better guide =).

I'd do something about that signature if I were you, Spitfire.
What sig?

I hardly ever use gouge

Thread summed up, nothing to see here.
Yea you forgot to quote that's due to servo arm bug proc that breakes gouge when used,and not only that,I already explained that I know how good,useful and OP gouge is,but you didn't quote that either.What are you possibly trying to prove,the hate for me?Manage your stupidity and don't go off-topic.

probably the jerks that come out of their holes, everytime one posts a guide.

Lol?
No one is saying anything to hate or be a "jerk" so you both sound ignorant. Just saying that you hardly ever use gouge is kinda nooby... and the Mace proc doesen't always ruin gouge. You're acting like it's guaranteed 100%. That's like saying ever since I got my dmf trink I stopped using gouge because it's gonna proc and break my gouge.

Fact remains that in my experience as a Servo user I've encountered that 40% of my time using gouge has ended up with a proc and me losing 45 energy,yet again I have to imply that I am aware of how valuable the gouge ability is,so don't call me a noob just because I am not using a rogue mechanic as often as you do,I just implied that I don't really occasionally use gouge as much as I do as dagger specced because I know It will eventually fail and the servo will proc.It's a simple prooven fact that you will end up losing 45 energy because servo's proc occurs more oftenly then maelstrom does.

And a message to everyone basically I just wanted to help in general but I clearly can't because my early days as the fallen human rogue '' Zamorius '' has left you all a permanent message that I'm a immature spoiled brat that got carried by DP and now thinks hes a pro just because he wields T3,I can assure you all now I don't want to argue in this way honestly,I don't think I'm any pro here,I simply decided to make a guide and share my ideas.You're all showing too much negativity towards me that always leads me to believe that I'm a bad Person,fact remains this a guide,I want to spread my ideas and knowledge to others that might haven't seen yet or the newbs that have yet to learn things such as these.I kindly ask that you all stop being so upset about me and/or my posts.

(http://s14.directupload.net/images/140128/tvf8dm67.gif)
lol^



Title: Re: A freshly invented Hemo spec for Rogz / Guide for freshmen (Simple/short)
Post by: Arsa/Cosmar on March 27, 2014, 06:11:53 pm
big walls of text are not for me...